OW
I want to talk a little bit more about that growth, specifically Kitsuné’s collaborations. I personally find strategic partnerships and collaborating so interesting–it’s the most exciting part of the food and the fashion world. Could you tell us about how those collaborations have come to be, and if there was a first game-changing collaboration that opened the door for you to enter all of these other cultural sectors, or initiate other collaborations to follow suit?
JL
We try to have a good rhythm in terms of launching a new collaboration. Basically, every two or three months, a new collaboration is launched. If I had to highlight one of the collaborations we made, it’s a recent one with a French brand Aime, which means love in French. They specialize in probiotics and collagen, so this collaboration was driven by a shared interest in creating something that blends beauty with lifestyle. We created an exclusive drink and a pastry made with collagen and organized a yoga session in our office in Paris, inviting customers to do yoga and have a collagen coffee before going to work.
OW
It’s so smart. Being able to place names next to each other from the consumer side and also from the business side requires a real understanding of your brand and your customer, and knowing who will amplify Kitsuné and bring it into a new market. Why did that collaboration in particular feel so important?
JL
It was a new way to explore the industry, and expand what we offer to our customers, which is really an experience: you go to your yoga class, you go to the Café, you get your collagen, it is a sort of routine. All of these aspects are linked, whether it is obvious or not.
It’s important to always be curious and have an eye on those global trends and how they relate to their consumers. In Paris, the competition is hard. If you want to be the Café where people are going, you need to explore while focusing on your core business quality. That is what is the most important at the end of the day.
OW
In New York, specifically, the saturation of fashion brands and coffee shops is pretty significant, and it’s hard for brands to come in and set themselves apart. Is that something that you’ve noticed with Kitsuné? You are offering something so unique, but we are in this post-pandemic market where retail, overall, is producing less revenue, and yet everyone seems to be opening up their own store and building their own brand. Have you been seeing this in Paris as well? And has this post-pandemic saturation impacted the brand?
JL
The pandemic of course impacted the brand, as all the Cafés and all the Maison Kitsuné stores were closed. In Paris, we received some financial help, but having an international brand required us to be flexible and deal with the challenges in other markets. What we learned after the pandemic, is we are seeing a strong return to in person experiences. People crave the human connection that brick and mortar spaces provide, especially in hospitality. It has become a place where customers can engage with the brand and each other, making these physical spaces more essential than ever to the overall customer experience.
OW
I’ve noticed the same thing in New York, where, things are popping up all the time, but it’s because there’s A. a demand for it, and B, people are just excited to be together and to have new experiences. It feels like a moment for brands to grow and evolve in a new landscape following a time of real challenge as a business owner.
I’m curious if there’s a specific year in your career there that felt transformative, or when you and your team felt this palpable moment of growth?
JL
A few times, to be honest. But when we first opened the restaurant here in Paris; we had only opened Cafés and we developed this restaurant concept and expanded that idea to Tokyo and Dubai and Indonesia, so I saw the impact of doing something here in Paris but then take on this other life and develop internationally.